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Dougie's Friday Mailbag (Robbery of Anthony Joshua-Andy Ruiz, Vergil Ortiz and The Ring Archive)

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ANTHONY JOSHUA'S HEAD, THE FOUR KINGS

Dougie,

Anthony Joshua has all the time been good at saying "right stuff" in interviews in a respectful (to an incredible extent), sponsor-friendly, generous, assure that the top is in the correct place and there is a well-executed training and leadership plan. Even earlier than his loss, although, it began to really feel slightly tempting, and one way or the other it wasn't fairly ringing. Like going by means of the shows. It's nice to be asked the identical questions lots and you possibly can't be unique and dynamic every time, however still. After the defeat, I hate to say it, however he appeared fairly mentally fragile to me, and the constructive issues that include him now seem much more engaging and combined with the shadow of doubt.

I can't assist however really feel he is doing a brand new soldering in a means that a career can really get off the rails. Would LOVE make a mistake on this and I hope he can turn it around.

What do you assume – have you acquired it in any respect?

While watching the documentary the opposite day in the 4 Kings space – Fairly astonishing – and re-wondering the World Championships towards some of my private favorites (Apollos when you have already carried out these):

  • Hearns / Calzaghe on SMW
  • Leonard / Pacman with Welter
  • Hagler / Benn medium weight [19659009] Duran / Lomachenko mild

All good. – Rob, United Kingdom

Feels like an in depth, perhaps majority choice or cut up determination (superweight wasn't one of his higher divisions, and Calzaghe's type and athleticism would have bothered him, however I would like Hitman's elite jacket to make no distinction in chess). 19659003] Leonard interrupted halfway via (we received fireworks late, however the syringe was too massive, too fast, sensible and simply as bold – he reduce a Filipino icon sooner or later, and if it wasn't for one hitter-quitter … properly, nobody in my life had higher finisher than Leonard.)

Hagler in mid-late stoppage (Benn alive at midnight Fighter participant, however The Marvelous One had a rare chin that would stand up to Benn's greatest bombs, and the British star lacked know-how and endurance Hagler was co untrained technician.)

Duran by late stopping (Vacation can be troublesome and competitive for many of the battle, but Palms of Stone would make the Ukrainian ring wizards go far beyond what he’s accustomed to, and he would make a gradual strike that may pay his method in 19659). ] Even earlier than his defeat, although it began to feel a bit tempting and one way or the other didn't ring true. Like going by means of the shows. It's nice to be asked the same questions so much and you’ll be able to't be unique and dynamic each time, however nonetheless. I don't know why that may be a surprise to you. Joshua seemed on the eyes and aspirations of all the nation in the course of the 2012 London Olympics. He was residence before the identify of the pro-debut, and The Ring's 2014 view proceeded "up and comer" Awards on the celebs denominator mega-pull of the previous two and a half years. A uncommon phenomenon reminiscent of AJ, the rise of status and wealth is accompanied by so much of strain, expectations and obligations.

After dropping, I hate to say that he has seen me fairly mentally fragile and the constructive issues he comes out now look even more engaging and blended into the shadows. uncertainty. Nicely, of course he's dealing with insecurity! He fell over and confused concerning the late submissive and the 12: 1 submissive. Every fighter within the Corridor Hall who suffered a devastating loss on the prime of his career needed to question himself before he stepped again into the ring, particularly if he was going to an prompt match with the man who kicked his ass. 19659003]

OLD TIRE MAGAZINES

After taking a look at Cynthia Contte's tweet on the 91 Holyfield Tyson interrupted by press photographs, I wish you may archive the Ring Library. Understanding that you are in a cartoon battle is one thing like the Marvel Limitless comedian e-book app. I can comply with 70s Spider-Man cartoons that I don't have. – Kinonomics

It is the capital concept and thought that’s at present within the works. It's a monumental activity, contemplating that the magazine dates from the early 1920s, however when the digitization process is complete, as you could have virtually 100 years of boxing history at your fingertips.

CLASSIC DON KING CARDS

Hello Doug,

Completely happy Thursday. It wasn't till late 2000 once I was watching Hopkins / Echols 2 that I used to be really a hardworking boxing fan.

This implies I missed the 90's Don King playing cards. I looked at some of these events, and frankly, I pay $ 250 for PPV as they might be at this time. These occasions typically included 5-7 most important event high quality battles in a single day.

The question is – Do you assume it might happen again? Thanks. – Bill from Toronto

Middleweight KO artists Julian Jackson (left) and Gerald McClellan have been featured on several Don King playing cards earlier than they have been shot.

I feel some promotional corporations try to emulate King's pay-per-view description. honor years – Matchroom USA and Golden Boy come to thoughts – however whereas they’ve had some stacked cards this yr (and earlier), they merely wouldn’t have sufficient world-class elite expertise (backed by two official superstars) Mike Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez bosses just like the king did in the 1990s. Felix Trinidad, Terry Norris, Azumah Nelson, Michael Nunn, Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan, Simon Brown, Ricardo Lopez, Frankie Randall, Tim Austin, John David Jackson, Tony Tucker, Oliver McCall, Maurice Blocker and Oba Carr amongst many other standouts . , have been half of the “King-dom” marketing campaign that decade.

Al Haymon, a native of Cleveland's indigenous individuals, the mind of the Premier Boxing Champions / TV collection, is the one power dealer with a expertise listing. close to the steadiness of DK in the 1990s. Nevertheless, it doesn’t seem that PBC is stacking high quality info on their cards (even when they are PPV occasions).

So I consider my answer to the query is NO, no less than for now. 19659003]

VERGIL ORTIZ, EX-AMATEUR HERE TO GET A SOLUTION IN PROCESS

Hi Doug, I simply needed to inform you about last two battles.

1) I saw Robeisy Ramirez struggle on TV twice throughout Rio. The Olympics and I keep in mind the first time I watched him (I feel it was a semi-final) considering "this guy wins the Val Barker Prize". He simply stood out to me as a very mega-gift. Properly, he went on to win Shakur Stevenson's second gold medal, but I don't assume he beat Val Barker. Anyway, I didn't even know he had been offended and was a proxy, but once I noticed the title that he had misplaced his prebody, I went again and watched the battle. This was a very surprising shock, and I find it strange that it did not obtain any more mainstream boxing attention; this was real Rocky-type stuff, a really ornate and boastful fighter who underestimated the untreated scraper of the blue collar. Adan Gonzalez and his buddies and household ought to be extraordinarily proud. It was a great little battle and Adan gained it truthful and equitable. He was capable of attack Ramirez's protection error and didn’t let him out of the hook. All four rounds have been close (although the knockdown is of course 10-Eight automated, so I observed how one referee might just edge Ramirez, however personally I feel Adan deserved at the least one of those last three rounds (and thus gained) a struggle.) He didn't have probably the most lovely. " but I assumed he was very effective and appeared to be a lot better than the document confirmed. He stored shifting, turning, throwing punches and responding back.

As for Ramirez, he had a pair of flashes with some sensible flashes of & # 39; n & # 39; counter, however he also appeared actually incomplete and didn't even present signs of urgency after landing the primary spherical of an in depth four-round battle. The approach he hit his straight-down line was a bit embarrassing (as Tim Bradley always pointed out.) It additionally seems unusual that he didn't really insult Adan, who seemed much smaller than Ramirez.

I've heard individuals examine the struggle with Salido discourage depart, however I feel the comparison is solely superficial. With all due respect to Adan, but he isn’t Salido and by no means can be. I understand the comparability is simply to level out how a seemingly more naturalistic newbie star can nonetheless get a hard-working veteran who has picked up a bunch of tips as he comes via the pro, but clearly this wasn't Adan. He had only 9 pro battles and was a membership fighter going to the double Olympic gold medalist for the alleged 400 and novice battles.

A pair of questions for you Doug: Is this the yr's worry? Are you able to assume of a much bigger upset between a former novice star who turned professional towards a non-famous blue caller pro? What do you assume are the toughest elements of switching to a pro boxer profile recreation, aside from the extra rounds and lighter gloves?

2) Vergil Ortiz continues to exceed expectations as his competition progresses. The consequence of Orozco and Herrera from his age is significantly impressive. He additionally appears to be a really mature and grounded man that you are in search of at a young age. This man seems to be destined for a number of world championships. How lengthy do you assume earlier than her first title shot and who would you wish to see her subsequent? Do you assume he and Teofimo Lopez are going to have a clash someplace down the street? – Jack E.

fifteen to 20 years in the past, I might have stated that it was nearly guaranteed that two rising young stars, like Ortiz and Lopez, would meet no less than as soon as whereas they have been still athletic primates, however things changed. Community / platform connections, promotional beef, and greed are likely to maintain prime executives aside nowadays, and many fighters seem to be in the best place.

I might add, nevertheless, that both Ortiz and Lopez appear to be throwing their option to challenge themselves. They’re as competitive as they are at an early stage and don’t look like as close to the sporting business aspect as different distinctions. So perhaps we are fortunate and we see them sharing a tire sometime.

Within the meantime, they take pleasure in their climbs to their first matches. Lopez's shot is coming in the next match. I consider Ortiz's shot will are available a yr's time.

Who would I wish to see him battle subsequent? A younger colleague like Jaron Ennis or Josh Kelly, or a mature spoiler like Jamal James or Ray Robinson, would take a really fascinating and dangerous next step in Ortiz's career. I don't assume Golden Boy will ship such a match next, however I wouldn't be shocked if they put him in with Sadam Ali or Eddie Gomez earlier than the top of the yr, which I feel can be great.

  Adan Gonzales was shocked by beating double Olympic gold medalist Robeisy Ramirez. Photo by Mikey Williams / Top Rank

Adan Gonzales took the shock of beating Robeisy Ramirez, a two-time Olympic Video games player. Photograph by Mikey Williams / Prime Rank

A number of questions for you Doug: Is that this a fear for the yr? Gonzalez over Ramirez? Nah. I feel Andy Ruiz continues to be on the prime of the yr over Anthony Joshua. I know Ramirez was a double gold medalist from a sunken Cuban group, but I don't assume he was proven professional and I’m not routinely enamored with the Olympics (even gold medalists) or Cuban boxers. Zou Shiming was a two-time Olympic gold medalist, and despite the fact that the Chinese language star gained the world title, he was not so good. And each Yuriorkis Gamboa, Erislandy Lara and Guillermo Rigondeaux have 10 ex-amateur separations from Cuba who didn’t guess on the pro.

Can you assume of a much bigger shock between a former novice star who turned proxy vs. an unheralded blue caller professional? Good question. Gonzalez's spoiling of Ramirez's pro debut shall be troublesome from above, nevertheless it doesn't sound like former newbie standouts shall be upset early on of their pro-development. Less than a month earlier than Ramirez-Gonzalez, the two-time Argentine Olympian Alberto Melian (with an novice win over Robeisy Ramirez) was outdoors of Mexico's membership fighter Leonardo Baez (15-2) and defended in his sixth pro match.

Let's see if Ramirez and Melia study from their current setbacks. Some former novice stars that suffer from early profession improvement are back (like the 2008 Olympics and Pan-Am / world novice champion McWilliams Arroyo lost to Takashi Okada of their fourth pro match after dropping), and some don't (like the 1992 Olympics Pepe Reilly who lost) ) his fifth match and by no means found his type in the pro ranks.)

What do you assume is probably the most troublesome half of switching to a pro recreation for an elite novice boxer, apart from additional laps and lighter gloves? I'm not a coach or a fighter, but I feel learning the right defenses (head and physique movements, gliding, breaking punches, and so on.) and offensive methods (preventing inside, getting maximum leverage on punches) are two main challenges. professional transition. Each Ramirez and Melian stood straight up and blocked solely high-stroke photographs (when not doing so with their face), didn’t slip and both "winged" their photographs – in different phrases, threw quite a bit of large, looping photographs.

RATKAISUTTUA ANDY RUIZISSA

Hello Doug,

Ever since Andy Ruiz Jr. gained the heavyweight Anthony Joshua's title, I adopted the pests social community and ready for a rematch. A couple of thoughts on this. First of all, Andy Ruiz Jr. informed his mother that they might not endure, it was one of the moments that made individuals fall in love with Andy, including myself. Nicely, the very first thing he does is go and purchase Rolls Royce and second, he then goes out and buys the mansion.

Okay, all this is good and all, however for me, for those who by no means need to battle, you’d comply with a traditional way of life earlier than defending your title towards the guy you played and securing a couple of more battles that may value you adequate money to take care of such property. Then we get the standard church to talk to Andy's ear. I can virtually hear it: "Andy you are better, ask for more money, they want to inject you, you are worth more". If I'm not mistaken, Andy's father stated in an interview that his son earned $ 50 million again. Properly, he deserves what he thinks, however the reality is, they signed an settlement that already contained a proposal to renew! It’s essential to honor that settlement! These guys gave you a chance in your lifetime and now together with your first money making you will grow to be grasping and all of the allure, grace and humility will go to the drain!

Ruiz-side excessive pettyväinen conduct. Now, I clearly do not know all of the circumstances, I have not read the actual contract and the idea of all the interviews and the knowledge that I've seen on the Web. But logic says Eddie Hearn protected the fighter with logical re-phrases and terms. Can you refine this Doug? I only hate how promotional efforts, egos, greed and cash, forestall the battles from occurring. I'm not going to say that Al Haymon is making an attempt to make Wilder-Ruiz (didn't they only cancel the Wilder-Ortiz match?), However … I feel I already stated that. I simply hope they only struggle and maintain going. Ruiz has the potential to be a celebrity and I actually consider she will win the rematch. I like him especially if they do it immediately. Thanks Doug. – Juan Valverde, San Diego

Many fans, media, and boxing insiders additionally help Ruiz right away match, but when Ruiz's mailing delays the struggle (greater than it already has), it gained't help his possibilities. I don't blame Workforce Ruiz for wanting extra money (although he’s paid the very best return in his profession) or not eager to battle in Saudi Arabia, but the reality of the matter is that his shot on Joshua was lucky (a mixture of Jarrell Miller being stupid and Eddie Hearn, who needs a strong opponent for AJ's US debut) and didn't have the power to impose a "re-clause" on points of sale. He needed to accept the contract (which was greater than truthful) provided to him by Hearn. Now that the primary battle is over and the re-match clause given, does he have to finish it? Not likely. He can inform Hearn and Joshua f__k himself. But he’s being prosecuted and is more likely to be deprived of his three world orders (though you by no means know with the coercive bodies, they could seem to do enterprise with Haymon). Only one journalist's opinion: the boxing enterprise is money motivated and ego pushed. If Ruiz can get some additional cash by pulling his ft on this matchup, it's good for him. If the PBC can find an alternate website that gives as a lot or extra money as Saudi Arabia, properly, more power to them and I might be all for it (since I’m not going to travel to the Middle East). Nevertheless, if neither aspect budgeted by the top of this month, I feel Ruiz would have to go together with the Hearn contract and change their focus to 100% training camp and getting ready a extra motivated version of Joshua. I feel Ruiz wants a ten week camp to be at his greatest.

Andy Ruiz Jr. advised his mother that they have been not suffering, it was one of the moments that made individuals fall in love with Andy, including myself. Properly, the very first thing he does is go and buy Rolls Royce and second, he then goes out and buys the mansion. I do not know if he paid for the new automotive or not, but I think it was a gift from both the supplier, Haymon, or anything related to Ruiz's administration. The manor is one other story.

Okay, all that is good and all, but for me, in the event you really don't need to battle, comply with a traditional way of life earlier than defending your title with a guy you hit and secure a number of more battles that may value you adequate money to take care of that sort of property. In fact you assume so. You're a boring ass instructor, Juan! LOL. Andy is a f__king fighter. Some are as rational as you or even more, however most are fierce in nature. They don't assume tomorrow. S__s, most pro athletes are like that.

Then we get the standard church talking to Andy's ear, I hear it virtually, "Andy you are better, ask for more money, they want to inject you, you are worth more". Hey, it's simply boxing, brother. It has all the time been and all the time can be.

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